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Nowhere Girl
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Trump would have gotten away with even more in office if he pursued the exact same policies but acted "normal" about it in front of the cameras.

The Project 2025 guys figured this out. Instead of having Bannon as a weird Rasputin figure, just surround Trump with regular GOP operatives. They're all Heritage Foundation freaks but that doesn't matter to Democrats.

The main friction is the GOP base expect Trump to act like an anti-establishment strong man so he can't "play by the rules."

Nowhere Girl
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Democrats keep propping up Republican has-beens like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger and Not Really Never Trumpers like Nikki Haley not so much because they're against Trump or even for democracy, per se, so much as for the preservation of the traditional, congenial two party duopoly in which Republicans and Democrats both hold the line on behalf of the interests of the ruling class.

Meanwhile, Republican voters view Democrats and increasingly the GOP establishment as the enemy.

Nowhere Girl
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This is a losing proposition for Democrats and obviously for the rest of us as Republicans have gamed the system such that someone like Trump can easily win anyway and the GOP courts and statehouses have incrementally seized more control over government and our lives.

It makes sense to fire up left and liberal voters and fight Republicans everywhere, on everything. Because Republicans really are a minority. It's not a centrist or center-right country at all, as opinion polls constantly tell us.

@gwynnion I've really come to believe they absolutely understand this but choose not to pursue it because getting votes is a secondary concern next to bringing in checks from big donors

basically fundraising for the democrats has become an end unto itself

Nowhere Girl
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@waitworry Democrats are a "choose your own adventure" type of shitty: some of them are just lazy and want a cushy job for life, some are just corrupt but in a pathetic, ordinary way, some are just conservatives but do PR for appearance's sake, some are just corporate shills, etcetera, etcetera.

There seem to be very few actual liberals in the party anymore.

Peter Butler
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@waitworry @gwynnion Unfortunately, the way politics has worked all my life is that "bringing in checks from big donors" = “getting votes”

One thing I think that would change our politics considerably is compulsory voting. If everyone was mandated (and allowed) to vote, things would look very different

altruios phasma
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@peterbutler @waitworry @gwynnion provide a null option (which if that wins: re-roll the candidates): so mandatory voting has no ethical considerations… it’s 100% the right thing to do.

Peter Butler
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@altruios @waitworry @gwynnion Agree on the null option, but not sure about the feasibility of “re-rolling” …

But yes, if voting were mandatory, I think you should definitely be able to reject everything

altruios phasma
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@peterbutler @waitworry @gwynnion I agree about feasibility: but it would probably result in a healthier democracy.