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@chikorita157@sakurajima.moeYikes, look how much Meta wants to collect from you with their new “Threads" app, which is defederated by most servers.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/threads-an-instagram-app/id6446901002
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Are there any statistic for which servers or how many servers defederated Threads?
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https://fedipact.online
But there are some instances that do block it, but haven't signed the pact
sdf.org isn't on that list but I hope that their non profit ethics means they'll block meta/facebook/threads.
@drng@mastodon.social@chikorita157 Meta’s new data harvesting tool
@chikorita157 Health and fitness...
If anyone had any doubts about Meta's intent and goals, that alone should be terrifying and convincing.
Who could possibly want an ostensible social media app run by Zuckerberg to collect and sell their health data?
If anyone thinks this is FUD or hyperbole:
https://kffhealthnews.org/news/article/drugstores-pixel-sensitive-data-social-media-companies/
@chikorita157 isn’t that all meta apps tho? it’s how they make their money.
@chikorita157 Thanks for sharing that info. Makes me very glad to be on an instance administered by @trumpet, who is taking a cautious approach.
@chikorita157 how could they not? It's Facebook! They would be doing their investors a disservice if they didn't make as much money from users as possible lol.
@ivy@cutie.city@chikorita157 awww hell naw
we have without doubt the intentions of that platform now and if your instance refuses to respond to reality, you should migrate to a new instance ASAP
I would be very surprised if any of the admins who went into talks with Facebook will even acknowledge this information and even more surprised if they act upon it
this platform is going to be the exact same as Facebook in terms of data collection, so if you care about your privacy at all, the time is now to make a move or petition your admin
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Can you tell me where did you get that "most" for server count?
I'd like to see some stats.
@chikorita157 Aaaand this is why I only access facebook from a dedicated virtual machine where it can't spy on anything I don't explicitly give it.
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Wow.
Just wow.
I always look at that before downloading an app. They definitely win the “prize” for invasiveness. By a mile (or km).
@Eleonora@masto.ml@chikorita157 facebook (I will not call them meta) after stealing someone's identity so they can sell it for another 10 bucks
Shouldn’t Biden give a PSA or something? This is a disaster. Literally, no one on earth should use this app.
@chikorita157 Defederation is going to kill Mastodon. Maybe Bluesky or Threads won't gain traction, but something where a handful of admins don't utterly destroy the SOCIAL CONNECTIONS built by their users will come along and be good and this place will cruise along banning each other over increasingly narrow ideals until there is no one left.
Normal users don't want all this crap, they just want to follow friends and have everything work... :(
@Ragashingo the problem is that companies like meta know you want to keep connections, that's why they take you hostage through them. No doubt they'll start implementing proprietary extensions that other Fedi software won't be able to support and eventually just pull the plug with some dumb reasoning like ‘oh there's so much bad content on fedi that we cannot moderate so we decided to remove federation’. It happened before, it's bound to happen again.
@brawaru @chikorita157 It's back to: "The Fediverse! We're free and open! (Except when we aren't!)
I, too suspect bad future behavior... but what if it's 10 years away?! I only really used and loved Twitter for 10 years and enjoyed the heck out of it when it was good. It became a real time backbone of the Internet (weather reports, traffic alerts, sensors of all kind) when it was good.
Preemptively defederation is a massive violation of principles! It makes me angry.
@Ragashingo it's absolutely not 10 years away, Mastodon didn't make a stable ground yet, so if this is going to happen, it's going to happen really quickly, and not many willing to take such risks.
What Mastodon has is nothing to Meta, but it's still users that they can try to take, because users are their revenue.
Nobody tries to screw anyone over with defederation, Masto admins just trying to protect the users and the network.
@Ragashingo @brawaru @chikorita157 they are too big to fail by then, you wouldn't be able to imagine the opposition
You'd probably need government level entity to arbitrate by then, like what's happening in Canada and news producers.
@Ragashingo @chikorita157 I can understand this fear, it's not impossible.
But the alternatives just aren't for me. I'm starting to think maybe the Fediverse just isn't for "everybody" you know? Not trying to exclude anyone, just that these places have different values.
And to be fair, we've been watching Twitter demolish those social connections too. Either option could implode, but I like what is being built here. It feels like thinking towards the future instead of just caring about the easy things in the now.
@Ragashingo @chikorita157 I don't like being That Guy but isn't the point that if you don't like what your server is doing you can migrate to another one? Or run one?
In my experience the admin ( @quokka ) and mods for scicomm.xyz did an excellent job laying out the up and downsides of federation with Meta instances, solicited feedback and consultation, then clearly explained their decision.
That isn't infighting and banning.
It's community consultation.
@dylanwre @chikorita157 @quokka Social networks didn’t get popular on the tagline: “It’s great, just run your own server!” That’s inching towards out of touch tech elitism.
I have huge respect for those that do the hard work to make tech happen, but they are and should be the exception. Normal users just want things to work and don’t want to see all their friends vanish with each new ideological threat that they didn’t even know existed.
@Ragashingo @chikorita157 @quokka
I get that ease is important.
But still, that "i just want it to work without thinking" smacks of the same unreflective consumerism that has led to so much catastrophe in other domains (ubiquitous plastic, surveillance capitalism).
I have to do very little on the instance I'm on other than pay some little attention to emerging issues and occasionally donate to ease the cost. I work a bit harder to find people. It's ok
That seems like a reasonable cost to pay.
@Ragashingo @chikorita157 @quokka I don't want to get into a flame war about it. Maybe we just want different things. I'm OK with it not being super easy if that's the trade off for avoiding centralized control and therefore centralized power.
Maybe Mastodon won't become 'popular' for a given definition of the word, but that's also OK with me. Having a smaller community where I find cool stuff, talk to cool people, and am not surveiled and the object of constant ads is pretty great.
@Ragashingo @chikorita157 I'm a normal user and I am all pro defederating meta
@Stinpizzamou @chikorita157 Yeah... no. A normal user is someone who just signs up and uses the platform. You're doing advocacy for complex, platform-level technical features vs unannounced upcoming competitor platforms that 99.999% of humanity doesn't even know exists yet. Which is all pretty cool!
Take some darn pride in being awesome! Just don’t pretend your view point is that of the average user. :)
@Ragashingo @chikorita157 I am awesome, and a normal user. I had extensive talks with other normal users about what meta accessing the fediverse would mean and formed my opinion. That's most fediverse users. If they are here, they know more than what you give them credit
@chikorita157 I keep wishing Apple would invert this, so you could say “by default, I don’t want to share the following information” and the App Store would slow or stop you from installing apps that don’t match your preferences.
@chikorita157@sakurajima.moe Fools and their Data are easily parted.
#Meta #Threads
@chikorita157 This is generally what they collect with Instagram and Facebook too. A good reason to delete them if you have them.
@chikorita157 I had been kind of considering looking at Threads as another social media outlet, but after seeing how much info they want to collect, this is a hard pass.
They should probably rename this app to "Big Brother."
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Yes I particularly liked the last item. "Other data" What other data? Shoe size is pretty much all that is left!
@mativity
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I don't understand enough about the implications here. I only know that I want nothing to do with any Zuckerberg platform, ever again. If Meta would have access to my data, I'm out.
@chikorita157 Gosh, if I lived in the US I would be /particularly/ concerned about that "health & fitness" one right now. If there hasn't already been a thing where Facebook eagerly dobbed on people needing abortions and/or trans healthcare, it's only a matter of time :\
@TheArtGremblin @chikorita157 I'm pretty sure at least one person in the US (can't remember which state) went to prison because of subpoena'd Facebook messages related to abortion pills, yes.
@phoenix_fairy@girldick.gay@chikorita157 Holy fuckin hell. And people were like "Just give them a chance". You think they aren't scooping up all the data that they fucking can?
@chikorita157 At least they're clear about what they're collecting, such as my "Identifiers", my "Sensitive Info", and my "Other Data"
@chikorita157 Is this a mastodon app? What is this? Is it its own platform?
Where’s @daringfireball to tell us how foolish we all are for not wanting a surveillance app to join us. Really regretting disagreeing with his excellent and definitely not old and out of touch take.
@chikorita157@sakurajima.moe Ah. So it's a marketing scam disguised as a messaging app
@chikorita157 @Fahfoofnik Yikes. Health and Fitness? Really? Browsing history?
@chikorita157 How about NO
@chikorita157 the reaction from the fediverse when facebook said they were gonna make their own instance was absolutely hilarious and it makes me proud of us all :)
@nubesurrealista@chikorita157 No thanks, i prefer Mastodon 
So what you’re saying is… “don’t touch the threads”?
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Ah cool, didnt know my skin could successfully crawl off my body like that. What weak excuse can they possibly give for needing health data!
@chikorita157 I assume FB and Instagram collect the same data, do you know how this compares to twitter, spoutible, countersocial, cohost, tumbler? Just trying to get the full picture.
Does that mean we give consent for our data if my fediverse host federated with their network?